As a LII-Ti 9w1, Russ Hudson knows how to market to the mainstream. I'll go by a first edition of Personality Types when you show me that either you or Russ Hudson can back R & H's ideas up with a 2500+ exemplar breakdown for every type, wing and stack. You can't take typology in reverse, building castles in the sky first and then trying to make the world fit into those abstractions. My approach is wholly organic, from the ground up. I've got the only valid breakdown for every type, wing and stack...
It seems you are working in reverse. Russ Hudsen is not a 9w1. Russ Hudson is a thinking triad type not a relating triad lead type. You say, Russ Hudson knows how to market to the mainstream. Well, that doesn't make him a 9w1 because all processes begin at zero at point nine and end at nine at point nine it just means Russ has mindfully developed a process led discipline.
If you had focused attention correctly you would have worked out Russ Hudson Tri-Type and that would make obvious, he cannot be a 9w1. You say, Russ Hudson knows how to market to the mainstream as if his hardrive for the inner logic of his enneagram type, the hard drive being a core distortion gives him the gift of the endlessly being able to chat-chat-chat because Russ Hudson's type, you state as being a type nine,
has no in-built distortion; the core approach is vacillation. That logic does not make sense. Russ Hudson think's first and intuits second Point:5. He seeks to actualise himself effectively, Point: 4. He is energetic almost fisty if challenged in asserting and defending retained structural knowledge 6w5 INTJ and can moody if frustrated which points back to being a type five. He is a Sx/so 5w4. His Tri-Type is 5w4 1w2 2w1. This reinforces his precision to be right. It also if over compensated would lead to some mild schizoid tendencies. His Hole Brain Thinking would be very close to being 1111 hence his well-rounded abilities in research, discovery and deliverable of transferable information to all types to be absorbed and understood. But He probably is a 1121. He has a strong bias for the Sosial instinct. He would most likely confuse himself at times and thinking he is a So/sx 6 because his supper ego gets in the way via bias between his Tri Type and Instinctual drives. Sx/so and so/sx and so/sp are al on the sensing side of the circle and have some difficulty with feeling what They sense. Subjective politics get in the way and emotion gets charged as if voice-stress lie, they want to be herd and they want you to know.
Having said that He may be a So/sx 5w4 but I think he is a Sx/so 5w4. I would have to spend time with him and see the full range of his natural personality's expression and use my receptivity to quiz him to solicit true real responses. I only met him once via a three-day workshop he hosted and watched many YouTube videos and partook in two or three online workshops. Workload and real-life mode can be two different masks. It seemed to me he always rested in the Sx side of Sx/so in his habitual expression.
I know when I am high functioning, I can express Sp/sx but I always return to rest and express Sx/sp. But I am most likely or certainly not as high functioning as Russ is. When I'm stressed and overcompensate, I get emotionally Sp expressive-like but it is channelled in a very sharp impersonal dry logical even mechanical manner. But when I get into action focused, I draw on Point three, I really do make the shift and take on the sp/sx instinctual expression. Its as if going to point three is the fulcrum between Sx and Sp. So, stress can be a difficult factor to factor. In a different synergetic state, I go to Point six and draw upon So/sp at point: 8 and Sx of Sx/sp that is not a stress driven setting that is a kind of balancing of the personal and teamwork trinities. I have not experienced that for quite some time. I tend to that expression if I am communicating with high functioning people. It requires a kind of commitment of intimacy wherein the dyad between self and anther or others is akin to intimacy in the solitude of open honest communication. Its a higher synergy wherein all parties are considered within the solitude of the intimacy of the transaction. I know it does not sound quite the right way to explain it but it's a solitude distanced from the average and the unhealth of egoic expression and that is an intermate act. It's like there is a seesaw between points 8&4 at the instinctual variant level. When they are balanced the healthy levels Level 1, 2, 3, of the R&H Nine Level of Development are Active. The Social Value level: 3 is defiantly engaged. It's quite extraordinary but once the engagement is complete the seesaw dissolves so to say its back to Sx/sp alone and back to (Sx/sp to Sp/so) and (Sx/sp to So/sx).
I would also say at levels 1, 2, 3, of the R&H Nine Level of Development when they are Active. The two trinary triangles at the six instinctual variant level are active. Levels 1 & 2 has more seesaws in play. That is an extraordinary state because in the self's own cognition the self can express all six instinctual variants and flow between them and express all nine energies. It freaks people out being mirrored that level of cognitive synergy, but I know it is real because I when I was in grade four of primary school for about one or two mouths or, so. I was experimenting with that ability. I have not done it as an adult well I know I did it once and I did it so some degree when I was listing my one-to-one correlations but that was more the 18 egoic mind set to sense the MBTI actions. But I did that with more receptivity and observation than taking on the energy in an open expressive manner.
The personal trinary and teamwork trinary at the instinctual variant level are synergised together at levels 1, 2, and some what level 3 that is what makes the health level so magical to experience/express, The Helix is working the helix is actively engaged and it feels good. Personal and the personal and teamwork are effortless higher intelligence and higher emotion are actively engaged. In solitude the Heart is knottiest clearly, it is a very intermate experience. But sadly, I don't go there I can't seem or won't free myself to give myself that gift of experience.
Thats one of the curses of learning the theoretical enneagram. The more I learn about the workings of mind the less naturally active has been the heart and higher intelligence and higher emotion in my natural expression of mind. It's a strange thing.
Knowing this is why I am passionate about the enneagram. Maybe it is a bit of an institutional leaning for me. But I could be equally as passionate about electronics if it amazed me, in a similar way.
I'm not 100% shore of Russ Hudson's instinctual variant but my thoughts are Sx/so 5w4 1121 C type. dew to the complexities with supper ego and tri type I mentioned I rest with Sx/so 5w4 1121 C type. But I could be wrong with the instinctual variant between, Sx and So what side of the seesaw he proofers at rest. Entropy is King.
Five with four-wing.
Subtype: five with four-wing; INTP
Auxiliary wing: four with three-wing; ENFP (agenda focused)
Second wing: six with five-wing; INTJ (mood focused)
Point of stress/disintegration: seven with six-wing; ESFP
Point of Integration/Neurosis: eight with nine-wing; ESFJ
As for LII-Ti I have no Indepth understanding of your system.
I'll go by a first edition of Personality Types when you show me that either you or Russ Hudson can back R & H's ideas up with a 2500+ exemplar breakdown for every type, wing and stack. Lar lar lar!
My understanding is Don was a Jesuit. He came across nine descriptions with three layers for each and it was called the enneagram or something like that and he worked on it for a decade. He had a master's degree in social phycology or something like that and how he constructed his first book I don't know. My understanding is he did it by himself.
I do know he ran the enneagram institute and chat board and had question-airs.
The thing I questioned within myself was the set part about each type being set in how they positively or negatively or ambivalently identified with the mother or father role model in their life. T thought and still think that was an overreach as a true structure and still question it today in fact I don't think about it I simple think its needs to be proved to be true or ignored. I ignore it and celebrate the rest of his work.
Now I get it your pritty wizy dizy about your system. You believe it's the ducks nuts and for some reason, I presume you think R&H work and system is way out of Wack and is full of crap and as suck is of harm to others. Are you a museum extremist trying to defeat infer Dels? Your attitude seems a bit wacky to me.
R & H identifies the hard-drives as fear motives.
I'm not shore that that is correct. A fear is a fear, and a basic fear is to be avoided, avoided at all costs. I think R&H identifies personality Trates that are evidence of strategies the egoic mind utilises to ovoid a basic fear that is associated to the avoidance of a notion of inhalation. Remember The authentic self has become separated from the self's awareness and an interpretation of essence has been emplaced. The authentic self has no fear of inhalation because the eventual self is not separate from the larger universe. The Sub Conches is hosted by the universe. The Sub Conches hold Union with the universe until mortality exist no more. I think Don Riso work structured nine layers of attitudes and behaviours intentionally due to the synergies of the trinary nature of the three ways a component can be in play as components. Negatively/unhealth, Neutral/of average health, Positive of a higher synergetic order. Plus, thing work in threes within the enneagram and often in nature.
In my core primer for all the gestalts, Stackemup Typology (Enneagram-side) laid out the core distortions for all nine enneagram types (nobody before had been able to do so):
Type 2: "I"m not capable of validating myself."
Type 3: "I am a superior being."
Type 4: "I am an ugly duckling; defective."
Type 5: "There's a gulf/separation between my mind and the physical world around me."
Type 6: "the world is a dangerous place."
Type 7: "God is against me. I am against God."
Type 8: "Might makes right."
Type 9: This point on the enneagram has no in-built distortion; the core approach is vacillation
Type 1: "somebody must be punished for the world's imperfections and flaws."
I don't have a problem with your gestalts, but I do not see them as a genuine replacement for the R&H Nine-levels of Health and basic desires and fears and over all foundational basic desire and fear for each of the nine types.
Type 9: This point on the enneagram has no in-built distortion; the core approach is vacillation.
As a type nine I think this is true but not quite right repression and avoidance is the bult in distortion it is kept personal in the hope to be kept private from other in order to preserve peace at any price. The vacillation is the projection to distract and preserve at any price detection. Harmony is the objective. Is an objective a gestalt? An objective in this case is more in line with a desirous and fear to not feel guilt and shame that could annihilate self, a. defence activity. I know anything about gestalt theory, but I think it has to do with patterns, patterns that larger than basic fears and desires patterns related to egoic inflation wants and needs.
And I also think you get my interest in the enneagram and MBTI and Hole Brain Thinking wrong. I am interested in the structure of mind and that which hosts mind. I like phycology but general phycology dose not tick the box for the specialist interest I have. To be honest with you I think there are only a small handful of people who really have a good understanding of human personality the structure of mind. So, it's not hard to praise R&H and Helin Parmer and a few other enneagram teachers who have released YouTube videos.
To tell you the truth Tomb 1 if you authentically impress me with your system, I will naturally praise you whether you like it or not because you have achieved something profound you have revealed something real and relatable that speaks about the true nature of the Human condition. mind and personality.
As a 9w1 I am a want my F function and my N function satisfied. Truth and what is real is important to me. This planet is full of Loosers you think nines have a problem with being, apathetic. The hole of the human race has a problem with being apathetic so don't get all upset if I celebrate something real and important.
You remind me of one of my best friends a female ESTP 8w7 So/sx, looust clouded her judgments. She won't let go of the bone. She gets locked into her ESTP 8w7 So/sx, and can't beyond it and gets angry with the world and angry with people that don't fit the right shape. Her shaping of the world. her ESTP 8w7 So/sx, lens view upon the world. The F***in vacillation I have had to Lisen to over so many years. I her but she is such a nut job some time she finally articulates her view correctly and the unique view and her clarity in describing it is quite profound. But most of the time she is lost in a cloud as if she is on a treadmill addicted to the exercise of peddling those wheels.
You are not her. But you have a weird way of using the eight function (I, E, S, T, F, T, J, P.) and the nine energies. You seem to misidentify because you don't put content into a correct context. You don't identify Tri-Type you think it is not real and you don't seem to see the different layers within the complexity of the workings of the enneagram.
I say that only via one example that being your incorrect typing of Russ Hudson. You, kind of F***ed that up. Your overcompensation enabled me to mirror to you your fundamental problem. Your systematic understanding is to narrow. You need a good dominatrix technician to encourage you to hit the books and advance your studies.
I'm too busy to take you under my wing. But if you save grace, I will give you a hand via shearing insights.
Things I did not talk about are point of disintegration/stress and the point of integration/and neurosis. These two factors affect the core point energy and the wing energy point in an ambidexters manner. There are three into three factors. Like I said for myself point six is in play as the centre of the fulcrum between the SX in Sx/sp and the SO in So/sp at the instinctual level and point three is in play between the SX and SP in the workings of Sx/sp.
All types in an excited state are able to utilise the subtype energy to take it on and also sit in a unique state ambidexters that would be described as point type one of nine. The raw mechanics of it to be truthful I have not Pay'd attention to it receptively when it has happened for me, I have been surprised and engaged in the active usage of the state energy so I would have to catch myself in the act or reflect on what took place. But something happens and I suspect the laws of three and seven maybe involved. Three parts and seven parts maybe in play. The point of disintegration/stress or the point of integration/and neurosis depending on if it is the core of wing point and the six subtype components, that makes seven parts and three parts. E.g. 8w7 8w9 9w8 9w1 1w1 1w2 and The Law of One the point energy illuminates in this case Pure type Nine-point energy. I can't say foreshore it works that way. The physics must be witnessed receptively but for this one being as a core type energy action its hard focus of the mechanic as it happens.
That is a little deeper than I wanted to go but my point is the two subtype energies at each point are part of a trinary and nuances do take place. A 5w4 can under stress express 6w7 or ambidexters F&T.
This is what makes psychometrics so hard. Psychometrics is very much a physics subject. but in this type of physics, we have to rely on observation and analysis. We can't test the metal to see that atoms it may be made of so to say. And each individual has many layers of minds operations working at once. This adds complication. Lear a model and it becomes a tool a lens. If there are "X" amount of model and an individual only uses "Y' number of models to analyse resalts are argued about because everyone trusts, their own lens and on one wants to be wrong.
I myself I think 1111 C type. Can be 1121 C type but am I right or am I wrong? Dose the minds operations flux this way.
Anyway, it's all interesting and my thinking is what I see as C type you see as Fi. You see Russ as LII-Ti 9w1. I see Russ as INTP 5w4 Sx/so 1121 C type. Tri Type: 5w4 1w2 2w1.
I think we see the say person, but we see the same person differently. I don't know what LII-Ti is, but I do know 9w1 is INFP.
It interesting I have not given it much thought, but you are ESTP 8w7. and you are part of my 8w7 8w9 9w8 9w1 1w1 1w2 and The Law of One the point energy of type nine. We are both part of the relating triad, but we see the world very differently. For you it maybe 7w6 7w8 8w7 8w9 9w1 9w8 and Law of One the point energy of type eight.
Anyway, I have had my say and sheared my view and I'm not really interested in fixation on Russ Hudson's inner world view, so I'll leave this topic where it is at unless you have some authentic interest in my model.
Ow yes you still have not answered my question, Is there an NLE-FI in the sonics system Tomb 1? In your system.
I suspect you will test your will by ignoring my question and ask your own question and replay with quotes and comment statements instead.
Here is an example of when Russ Hudon gets his ambidexters F&T 5w6 into gear.
So, after having watched that I think to myself is he really a 5w6 So/sx 1111 C type with a Tri Type: 5w6 1w2 2w1?
Five with six-wing.
Subtype: five with six-wing; INxP (Ambidextrous T and F)
Auxiliary wing: six with seven-wing; ISFP (agenda focused)
Second wing: four with five-wing; ENTP (Mood focused)
Point of stress/disintegration: seven with eight-wing; ENTJ
Point of Integration/Neurosis: eight with seven-wing; ESTP
The mystery continues.