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I honestly have no idea what your point is. Is your point just, "Bad thing happen so good thing can't happen."
Go back and read what you wrote. More religion is not an answer to your sex trafficking/abuse examples. Less brainwashed population that puts their children in the hands of predatory people of God, might be a better start.
 

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Go back and read what you wrote. More religion is not an answer to your sex trafficking/abuse examples. Less brainwashed population that puts their children in the hands of predatory people of God, might be a better start.

With all due respect, you are just parroting what you have heard about religion. None of your claims about Christianity are actually true. Are there bad apples? Of course. But for the most part, religion has a positive impact on people. So you are speaking from ignorance.
 

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With all due respect, you are just parroting what you have heard about religion. None of your claims about Christianity are actually true. Are there bad apples? Of course. But for the most part, religion has a positive impact on people. So you are speaking from ignorance.
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That's what the science says, bro. Meta studies have been done. They show religion is good for people. It's only the people against religion that claim that it isn't and they don't know what they are talking about.

 

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With all due respect, you are just parroting what you have heard about religion. None of your claims about Christianity are actually true. Are there bad apples? Of course. But for the most part, religion has a positive impact on people. So you are speaking from ignorance.
I am not going to waste a lot of time on this, since so much is documented and you seem reluctant to face your blind spots.

If you're into to apologetics, do you recall Ravi Zacharias who just died a few years back? Christianity Today even covered it. The guy was an internationally known author, apologist, and pastor/speaker. I wouldn't be surprised if you've read one of his books.


It's not like he's the only guy. They're not cherry-picking. This just happened and went national.


They're still hashing it out, but I believe he also divorced his first wife to groom her when she was still a teen and married her, and there's a lot of details out there about the abuse reports and anecdotes.

And where have you been for the endless coverups by the Catholic church in the United States and shuffling around of unethical pastors? This has been documented over decades, with so many settlements being paid over abuse.

Just review news about the Southern Baptists over the last decade and study all the stories of women who are speaking out or trying to leave that environment. (Beth Moore might be a great place to start.) This kind of abuse is common in authoritative communities, that creates leader and servant castes.

It seems like you like to dive down certain rabbit holes, but you have no interest in such investigations that would run counter to your held beliefs. There's no need to parrot, it's just called "news" and easily found.

If you want to witness to strangers on a non-religious web site about why you're a Christian, facing up to these kinds of issues is part of that package. Otherwise no one is interested.

There are definitely well-meaning believers of various faiths out there, who live better lives, but that doesn't mean certain power structures don't encourage abuse and attract abusers. And we're seen a huge turn of evangelicalism in the US away from the message of Jesus and instead wielding politics as power and trying to make a theocracy. Revival isn't going to make things better, it will just increase the power of zealots.
 

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The Bible even warns about people who will do this and how believers are not to be fooled by them.
Jesus even said render unto caesar the things which are Caesar's and to God the things that are God's and that sounds like an advocacy for a speration of church and state from the man himself to me.
 

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The Bible even warns about people who will do this and how believers are not to be fooled by them.
Jesus even said render unto caesar the things which are Caesar's and to God the things that are God's and that sounds like an advocacy for a speration of church and state from the man himself to me.

I have no problem with the separation of church and state. That is not what I am arguing for. See my prior posts. It is a movement within the people, not dominion theology or anything like it. I am not a monarchist. I am not a Christian Nationalist. I DO believe that the Holy Spirit is alive and active and influences people and groups of people. As I mentioned in that book, some of the stories in the book are striking. For example, there have been times in history when the revival was so strong, that the government had to lay off police officers because of a lack of crime.

Anyways, I am sorry to have derailed the thread. That was not my intention. But you asked and that is what led to the discussion.
 

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Honestly, it is almost just a matter of opinion on who is better between Trump and Biden. People don't love Biden. They are just anti-Trump.
That's not 100% true. I know people that love Biden. And even I think there are some things Biden has done well and deserves kudos for. Regardless, the situation was similar in 2020 and Biden did just fine.
 

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That's not 100% true. I know people that love Biden. And even I think there are some things Biden has done well and deserves kudos for. Regardless, the situation was similar in 2020 and Biden did just fine.
Biden and Trump are functionally equivalent in pure age, while Trump has been showing signs of dementia -- his normal word salad has been blatantly worsening in the last 6-12 months. It would be interesting to have them both do a live battery of physical exercises simultaneously and see how they measure up, due to this weird public perception that somehow being 81 instead of 77 is a huge age difference. (I mean, what a joke.) People can spin their physical health however they want, but seeing it side by side live would clear up a lot of misconceptions.

Biden's actually had a number of accomplishments with the economy, etc., in the last two years, but as usually the public messaging by Dems has been terrible and the Israel/Gaza thing has dominated negatively over his performance. I don't have any particular attachment to Biden myself; my main issue is that they promised in 2020 that he was stepping in for four years to stabilize things and then hand off the torch -- which they then went back on. This was a huge gaff, and a needless one.

All of this "age" issue could have been sidestepped if they had made a concerted effort to position younger (i.e., Gen X) leaders better to take over, but they have done a bad job promoting Harris (the actual VP) to make her appealing nor have they well positioned many other younger people aside from maybe Jeffries.
 

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Biden and Trump are functionally equivalent in pure age, while Trump has been showing signs of dementia -- his normal word salad has been blatantly worsening in the last 6-12 months. It would be interesting to have them both do a live battery of physical exercises simultaneously and see how they measure up, due to this weird public perception that somehow being 81 instead of 77 is a huge age difference. (I mean, what a joke.) People can spin their physical health however they want, but seeing it side by side live would clear up a lot of misconceptions.

Biden's actually had a number of accomplishments with the economy, etc., in the last two years, but as usually the public messaging by Dems has been terrible[ /quote]

Why is the messaging always terrible, do you think? This I find frustrating. Have they learned nothing from previous defeats?
and the Israel/Gaza thing has dominated negatively over his performance. I don't have any particular attachment to Biden myself; my main issue is that they promised in 2020 that he was stepping in for four years to stabilize things and then hand off the torch -- which they then went back on. This was a huge gaff, and a needless one.
I vaguely remember hearing about him only seeking one term.
All of this "age" issue could have been sidestepped if they had made a concerted effort to position younger (i.e., Gen X) leaders better to take over, but they have done a bad job promoting Harris (the actual VP) to make her appealing nor have they well positioned many other younger people aside from maybe Jeffries.
It seems to me like Harris has barely been a presence, really. I probably do need to start reading the news more.
 
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