Random Politics Thread

[The Cat]

Probably not. I was getting exhausted anyway.

Seems that was the point the whole time. It is an election year after all, there's always a few that ooze in to do it. Makes it impossible to have a conversation, but proves they were never interested in having one in the first place. Its just a song and dance with "free bird seed".

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Seems that was the point the whole time. It is an election year after all, there's always a few that ooze in to do it. Makes it impossible to have a conversation, but proves they were never interested in having one in the first place. Its just a song and dance with "free bird seed".

I do this kind of thing not for the other person, but for the benefit of bystanders. But I have limits.

 

[Totenkindly]

Seems that was the point the whole time. It is an election year after all, there's always a few that ooze in to do it. Makes it impossible to have a conversation, but proves they were never interested in having one in the first place. Its just a song and dance with "free bird seed".

...Or beer.

But this is the old old story that will continue to play out through the endless cycle of human discourse.

sorry, I only included the pertinent parts... you'll have to find the full vid elsewhere.

 

[Quick]

FWIW, It seems the conversation is not in good faith. Nothing you can post or say that's going to get through, because at this point, they're going to keep moving the finish line.

No, the problem is that we are coming at things from very different axioms. You guys seem to think the guilty-by-association arguments work. I don't. That's just an example. Another would be that you are innocent until proven guilty. Just because people claim someone is an oppressor does not mean they actually are just because someone said it. And that's another thing. You guys probably have assumptions about there being an oppressor vs oppressed class system. That's a Marxist ideology. Marxism has not worked anywhere it has been tried.

I heard recently that someone was saying if a person holds X view, then you could very much guess 10 other views they would hold. This is how our society has been polarized. You have radically different assumptions about reality going on largely between two groups of people. So it is not that I am arguing in bad faith. It is that I see the whole world differently than you guys do. That does not mean I am a racist, homophobic, transphobic bigot. It's that today people are content to just label other people as some sort of pejorative rather than actually getting to know what the person believes and why. It's easy to do this. It's easy to be polarizing. I try to fight against that. I do have my views. But to just label me as not arguing in good faith just demonstrates that you probably do not talk to many people of a different persuasion than you. It's groupthink on both sides largely produced by social media and news outlets.

 

[The Cat]

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[The Cat]

 

[Quick]

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Then you basically are content to say I am arguing in bad faith without addressing my actual arguments.

 

[Quick]

Like instead of actually seeing what I am saying you double down? I get you are coming from a different perspective, but it does seem like you are burying your head in the sand.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Nikki Haley keeps racking up votes in final stretch of the GOP primary, and Donald Trump keeps ignoring them


Something to think about.

 

[SensEye]

I'm pretty sure Trump doesn't care. It's not clear to me that Haley supporters won't still vote Republican come November. If they were to abandon the Republicans or abstain from voting, it might benefit Trump to try to appeal to them in what is shaping up to be a close election, but then the question would become would he alienate his base by softening his stance on some controversial issues? Probably not, as Trump's base are pretty much cult followers at this point and just think whatever he says they should think. But Trump's ego doesn't allow him to compromise unless it is crystal clear a failure to compromise will seriously hurt his chances. Trump is softening now on abortion because he realizes this one issue may seriously hurt his election chances. I doubt he thinks the same way about failing to attract Haley supporters.

Haley herself is probably playing the long game. She's relatively young and there will be no incumbent for either party in 2028. I'm sure she'll run for nominee again then. And she will probably be up against a Trump lite kind of Republican (e.g. DeSantis or similar). It's probably her best strategy to keep herself distant from Trump (certainly not endorse him) so she can appeal to the non MAGA types down the road.

 

[Virtual ghost]

I'm pretty sure Trump doesn't care. It's not clear to me that Haley supporters won't still vote Republican come November.

Yes, but the question is will they ALL do that. In 2020 Biden won key swing states by a point or less. Therefore even the nudges in this "department" are likely to really matter in the end. What means that her voters are probably what is going to decide the outcome.