INTP CENTRAL

[SensEye]

The demise of INTPc was definitely its own doing.

Just for the record, I will disagree. As far as I was concerned, INTPc (complex when Ptah was running it) was fine for a few years after the transition. It just ran out of gas the same as all the other forums. I don't think the behavior of the admin/mods or community had anything particular to do with it. Not that their behavior was always optimal, but I suspect the same could be said of this forum at times (don't really know as I never really participated here when INTPc was still a going concern).

 

[Totenkindly]

It seemed like it was a happy encapsulated community, but pretty much it just remained its core group, without many new members? I didn't go to Complex much at all, so I'm not sure. I would guess it closed when enough core members wandered off and/or Ptah got tired of maintaining it? I honestly can't remember any more.

Here, I feel like our borders are more open, but we just don't get much traffic, and most of the core members have also left. I've looked around for places with more people just to try to connect with more people, but haven't had much luck finding interesting sites with a larger inflow people to talk to, so it's pretty much just here + my WoW discord guild.

I'm still friends with a few of the folks from INTPc on Facebook, so I guess technically we have transitioned to casual real life friends (like Rajah, Toonia, Ivy, etc. You know it's really bizarre when I struggle to recall what people's usernames were nowadays, I just know their RL identities, lol.) So I stay up to tabs with them and know what they are doing IRL and occasionally talk to them.

I remember when you were Jennifer. You're background seemed very different from me, but you were intriguing. I could see you questioning things, and you seemed like a decent person, unlike my usual impressions of evangelicals.

That same trait is eventually what made me feel like I never really had been an evangelical. I was spiritual and following Christianity but never felt like I belonged within that community -- it just took me 30+ years to figure that out.

I was originally Fortunato over at INTPc. (And it did kind of reflect how I felt about myself at that time -- kind of the lost clown, timid and ineffectual, powerless). I changed my name to Jennifer here a few weeks after the site opened, I might have changed my name over there to Jennywocky at some point. At least you'd need a vorpal sword to snickersnack me down at that point.

I joined INTPcentral towards the end of my junior year in college. In one of my first posts, I got into a fight, with a prominent member (but probably a decent person), no less. Because I didn't know how to handle it properly, it may have caused many problems for me throughout the years. If I'd had better insight into people at the time, I would know that you tread delicately in threads where people rant about their relationship.

You are an interesting person in that you started here as a young adult, so you could see yourself develop over time. I hope you can see how much you learned and have grown over the years and can navigate those spaces now. (I was, what? 38 or something in 2006? So I grew in other ways I guess, but I didn't get to have that experience per se.)

It's hard to know how much of my experiences were because I have a knack for screwing things up, and how much is people being dicks. But, I think a lot of the responsibility for the way things started was on me, at least in hindsight. I'm not sure to what extent a lack of understanding.

You seem to be an honest person and one who honestly wants to try and learn how to relatable. SOmetimes we go through rough spots in life and get more cynical or our perceptions get rocky, but I think some of the problems here did lay on the shoulders of others.

What I like about this place is the people I've met, and that's why I've stayed here. I've learned some valuable new perspectives. I'll add that, including the Discord, this place often has a really cool hang-out vibe to it, and that's what I'm looking for.

It's funny how adverse I felt towards discord and vent etc in the early years. I know I don't spend much time on our discord anyway right now, but I use Discord a lot more than I used to and don't feel as adverse to it. Old dogs learn new tricks i guess.

 

[Haight]

Just for the record, I will disagree. As far as I was concerned, INTPc (complex when Ptah was running it) was fine for a few years after the transition. It just ran out of gas the same as all the other forums. I don't think the behavior of the admin/mods or community had anything particular to do with it. Not that their behavior was always optimal, but I suspect the same could be said of this forum at times (don't really know as I never really participated here when INTPc was still a going concern).

I'm not referring to anything that occured after file cabinet and I left. I know nothing about the Ptah era other than what I have read here, and things Hustler told me long ago. Meaning, my post(s) are not referring that.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

It seemed like it was a happy encapsulated community, but pretty much it just remained its core group, without many new members? I didn't go to Complex much at all, so I'm not sure. I would guess it closed when enough core members wandered off and/or Ptah got tired of maintaining it? I honestly can't remember any more.

Here, I feel like our borders are more open, but we just don't get much traffic, and most of the core members have also left. I've looked around for places with more people just to try to connect with more people, but haven't had much luck finding interesting sites with a larger inflow people to talk to, so it's pretty much just here + my WoW discord guild.

I'm still friends with a few of the folks from INTPc on Facebook, so I guess technically we have transitioned to casual real life friends (like Rajah, Toonia, Ivy, etc. You know it's really bizarre when I struggle to recall what people's usernames were nowadays, I just know their RL identities, lol.) So I stay up to tabs with them and know what they are doing IRL and occasionally talk to them.


That same trait is eventually what made me feel like I never really had been an evangelical. I was spiritual and following Christianity but never felt like I belonged within that community -- it just took me 30+ years to figure that out.

I was originally Fortunato over at INTPc. (And it did kind of reflect how I felt about myself at that time -- kind of the lost clown, timid and ineffectual, powerless). I changed my name to Jennifer here a few weeks after the site opened, I might have changed my name over there to Jennywocky at some point. At least you'd need a vorpal sword to snickersnack me down at that point.

What about borogroves?

You are an interesting person in that you started here as a young adult, so you could see yourself develop over time. I hope you can see how much you learned and have grown over the years and can navigate those spaces now. (I was, what? 38 or something in 2006? So I grew in other ways I guess, but I didn't get to have that experience per see.)

Thank you. I'm glad to hear that about me being able to navigate those space. I'll keep that in mind.

You seem to be an honest person and one who honestly wants to try and learn how to be relatable. Sometimes we go through rough spots in life and get more cynical or our perceptions get rocky, but I think some of the problems here did lay on the shoulders of others.

Thanks again!

When I first joined, I was at an idealistic peak. In the next few years, I saw various utopian aspirations blow up in my face, and I'd grown disillusioned with some student groups, etc. I emerged out of that with a cynical mindset, becoming especially frustrated with people who I perceived to be making the same mistakes as I did. On occasion, I gave them a much harder time than they deserved. I felt they were traveling down a road that didn't lead anywhere, and that made me angry. Surely there was some better way out there, I thought to myself. But even if there was, would acting the way I did be the best way to convince others of it?

Eventually, I mellowed out and became more easygoing while retaining my cynicism.

I still don't know how to solve the problem of idealism vs. cynicism. But these past few weeks, I've felt myself existing in a pleasant middle ground.

It's funny how adverse I felt towards discord and vent etc in the early years. I know I don't spend much time on our discord anyway right now, but I use Discord a lot more than I used to and don't feel as adverse to it. Old dogs learn new tricks i guess.

How long was Vent around? I don't remember it being a thing until 2015.

Anyway, when I came back on to the forum in 2015, I was afraid of Vent. I thought it was a place where all kinds of terrible things happened. Some people, including a mod, were urging me to join, and I refused, thinking it was a trick. When I consider the people in question and who they were aligned with, it was probably in my best interests, in retrospect. But I was fearful and I was convinced I was going to be banned for one thing or another before the year was out, so that was one factor behind my paranoia.

I did end up joining Vent in 2016, and it turns out it's mostly not that, although some people did engage in malicious trouble. An example with plausible deniability sticks out to me.

I joined Discord and that was entertaining, even though people also engaged in shenanigans there, as well. It's what happens with Vent/Discord being a cross-section of the forum, I guess. I'd blown it out of proportion in my head.

Discord now is a little slow like the forum, but fun when it heats up for a bit.

 

[Falcarius]

Falcarius is still pissed at @Haight for sending him purgatory for two weeks.

 

[Haight]

It was probably the best two weeks of your life. If I were you, I would thank me.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Falcarius is still pissed at @Haight for sending him purgatory for two weeks.

I'd have taken two weeks in purgatory. It sounds closer to what I initially had which maybe I deserved on Ptah's site. (Although, there was the fact that a mod laughed off a report I made about someone who initiated a no-contact request was insulting me in the open; nothing was subtle about it. I wasn't happy about this, and no doubt this was reflected in the posts I made. ) Of course, somebody else had been playing games and deliberately trying to push my buttons for months, if not years, and they waited until then for the big reveal, because they didn't like my innocuous Purgatory thread about how "identities shape perception." I remember I was trying to play by the ever-changing rules that had been given to me, up until then. At that point, though, I lost my temper and exploded in a way nobody had seen before, and I got six months for that.

I know it was a long time ago, but it's still so frustrating when I remember it.

By the way, the same thing here happened with a no-contact response, and the mods took it seriously. They understood that it's not about how bad the insult makes someone feel; it's about it being manipulative, deceptive behavior that shouldn't be encouraged.

 

[Falcarius]

It was probably the best two weeks of your life. If I were you, I would thank me.

Nah...Falcarius still has emotional damage. He only posted 2/15 of a Krill and now like 0.0000011113/15 of a Krill.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

You know a female INTPc member who I really liked? Qualia. She was outspoken, direct, and blunt. I liked the way she would approach politics and pull no punches. I also liked that she wouldn't hesitate to go after people with horrendous views on lots of topics who nobody ever said anything against because they were "connected." She seemed to have boundless energy for this, and I liked that. I don't know what it is with me and redheads, but I wasn't thrilled with her being banned.

 

[Haight]

For whatever it's worth, I don't remember her.

 

[The Cat]

PepperRidge Farms Remembers...Pepper Ridge Farms...Never forgets.

 

[Totenkindly]

Oh, I remember Qualia. Pretty fierce.

Did she have a different name earlier and changed it? I can't recall. But I want to think it was Meshou.

 

[Haight]

Now that's definitely a name I recall.

 

[The Cat]

Now that's definitely a name I recall.

Thank you for this Star Wars adjacent reference. Please tell us a story about it and I will imagine you as Spongebob Kenobi Dont ask me why.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

For whatever it's worth, I don't remember her.

I think she was banned in 2011 or 2012. Towards the end, I think.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Oh, I remember Qualia. Pretty fierce.

Did she have a different name earlier and changed it? I can't recall. But I want to think it was Meshou.

That sounds a little familiar, but I don't know for sure.

 

[Totenkindly]

Lol, from INTP.live -- Macguffin from a week ago:

INTP Central started after an INTP forum needed more space because the original person... what was her name? I don't remember but she was from Finland. Then file cabinet started INTPc and migrated everyone there and the original Finland woman flaked out in an INTP manner so file cabinet installed people he liked and then flaked out himself but the site went merrily along for a few years until file cabinet gave it to Dr. Haight because they were both living in Minneapolis, but unfortunately Haight was a control freak and wouldn't hand off the site to anyone and the server became overrun by porn including child porn until sprilis got annoyed and being one the few semi-active server admins cleared it out. Then Haight let it die and Ptah made INTPcomlpex and the rest you all know.

Also INTP Forum is actually an offshoot of INTPc. As is the INTJ forum. And the Typology Forum.

I'm not aware of INTP Forum being an offshoot of INTPc, unless it was in its very early year or two and they went there because they wanted a quieter more collaborative place to talk.

 

[Haight]

His recollection is correct. I had actually forgotten about that part of its history. But I now remember file cabinet telling me that story.

And I'm most definitely a control freak. There's no denying that. But in my defense, I believe only folks that were in the Modbox actually knew how I actually operated. Which is why you never read them stating that.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

His recollection is correct. I had actually forgotten about that part of its history. But I now remember file cabinet telling me that story.

And I'm most definitely a control freak. There's no denying that. But in my defense, I believe only folks that were in the Modbox actually knew how I actually operated. Which is why you never read them stating that.

People used to say you were an INTJ. Personally, I really don't know.

 

[Haight]

Depends on your perspective. In other words, if you act like an INTJ because one believes the situation warrants the characteristics of that type, are you an INTJ? Or are you what you are innately?

In my opinion, in terms of type, people develop over time. So, I ask myself quite often, "If you continually pretend to be something, do you eventual become that?" I don't know the answer to that, quite honestly, but I doubt it. For work, I tend to play a role that is more like an eNTj. When I'm in non-working mode, I'm definitely an INTP. So, who knows.

Honestly, beyond my interests in that theoretical question, I don't really care.